Things like whether shes Mediatrix or Co-Redemprtix. Okay. Jackson Memorial Hospital. Back to top Alert abuse. So we have to read the context. So Ive got two more questions here. No, Bauckham talks about this in his article that in some context, Jesus would be referred to as the son of Joseph, especially among those who were not familiar with his family life in Nazareth. Well, not necessarily. Lets start with the last books of the Protestant Old Testament, which Christie and many other Protestants says are Ezra and Nehemiah in the fifth century B.C. In fact, the term original sin like immaculate conception is not found in the Bible or in the church fathers until the time of St. Augustine. In week 1 vs. the Tennessee Titans, Christie went 3 for 4 on field-goal attempts (41, 42, & 33 yards). While the Greek word adelphos, translated brothers, can have numerous meetings in scripture, the specific Greek word adelphi, translated sisters, only has two. Heres a question that I have that Id be interested in both of you answering. Here we go. That was a really well articulated opening statement and I appreciate it. Christiaan Kappes. Second Corinthians is clear, God made him who knew no sin to become sin for us. Okay. It uses [Greek 00:37:34], not [Greek 00:37:36]. He was preceded in death by both his parents. Trent mentioned about dying once. Alright what about the Immaculate Conception? And if you look into church history, these dogmas were not all agreed upon. That rather, theres nothing in there to preclude people being assumed body and soul into heaven, including Mary. So again, argument by exception. Steve's showmanship is upbeat and romantic but there's a lot more. Many of them did not believe in him. He scored 100 or more points in eight of . Take your time there, Steve, getting yourself ready. In order to justify that claim, Christie would have to present a standard that tells us what writings prior to Christ are inspired and why we should accept that particular standard. Okay. I do. I addressed this a little bit during the debates of the specific Greek word [inaudible 01:21:19], which is translate full of grace or highly favored, even Jimmy Akin from Catholic answers that. Since I dont believe in the unbiblical doctrine of sola scriptura, I dont have to prove these dogmas from scripture alone. Coming to the industry in 1990, he soon discovered that the practice of Real Estate by most was not at the level of professionalism that he had envisioned. 13K views, 25 likes, 6 loves, 7 comments, 12 shares, Facebook Watch Videos from Lake Effect Furniture and Mattress: Have you seen the latest commercial yet? And Steve has said, Well, we know theres an exception because the Bible says that Jesus is the exception. So clearly, then, that means the Bible can make universal statements, but sources of divine revelation can give us those exceptions. I like you Trent. Thank you, Steve. Geoffrey Stephen Christie (born November 13, 1967)[1] is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League (NFL), who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. And you, just so people are aware, arent being mean or anything by doing that. Even a son of Mary would be interesting, rather its the fact that Jesus was referred through a metronym rather than a patronym, that normally in the ancient near east, you would refer to someone as the son of their father, the son of Joseph.. Do you still have it? So hes just talking about this birthright that he mentions about 10 versus later. In his study of Josephus and the Hebrew canon, Jonathan Campbell points out that the roughly contemporaneous text of 4 Ezra assumes the existence of ninety-four Jewish scriptures. He took his wife, but knew her not until she had born a son and he called his name Jesus. But the Greek word for until, eos, does not always entail a reversal of condition. In order to show these dogma contradict scripture, Steve must do one of two things. Thank you and God bless everyone. We use Christian Apologetics to discuss, interview, & debate for God's existence, & Christianity. Okay. Yep. But that doesnt mean that we cant show veneration and respect towards the things that God has made and those people who have cooperated with God in salvation history. The wrongs I have done are not hidden from thee. But Jesus did not do any wrong. No, I can think of anything like that, but I would say that Marys status as being the God bearer would mean thered be many truths that are quite unique to her that we dont find in either old or New Testament. Rather, biblically the church is every individual sinner who God has redeemed out of the world to be a slave to our master and Lord Jesus Christ, every individual sinner. When Mary declared God, my savior. In Luke 1:47, she understood that Jesus was the savior to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins, in Acts 5:31 and in Titus 2:9-11, which included her own. Okay. Indeed, the Talmudic tract Sanhedrin 100B refers to rabbis with-drawing Sirach, or declaring it to be no longer inspired and thus withdrawn from synagogue reading. Well, the answer to the question needs to be in relation to applying it elsewhere in scripture because theres a lot of people that are mentioned in scripture that doesnt say that they had any children. Steve, you are going to be beginning with 15 minutes. We wouldnt expect it. But while infants may not have committed a personal sin, they still need salvation in Christ because they inherited original sin. Sounds like youre posing the question to you, Steve. How would you treat that thing? Theres nothing in scripture that states that Mary was an exception to this. Did their authors believe God had stopped speaking decades or centuries earlier? First theres a dogma of Theotokos, Mary being the mother of God. The YouTube show, which was created by Kyle Curtis and Steve McRae, often featured interesting guests, such as Hugh Ross, Inspiring Philosophy, Shannon Q, Sy Garte, Matt Dillahunty, Paulogia, Lawrence Krauss, and more. First, this debate is not about whether the Bible teaches the Marian Dogmas or even if the evidence shows that theyre true. The Story of Reality: Apologist Greg Koukl Discusses His New Book. So the Immaculate Conception does not contradict scripture then. Rather, this is Mary simply being obedient to the law just as Jesus submitted himself to baptism for the sake of all righteousness. Let me ask you this, was Jesus Christ free from sin? Okay. We believe all Christian's should be able to defend their faith in God & Jesus of Nazareth. First, when it comes to adelphos and adelphi, I think Steve would agree with me that, in general, what that word means in scripture is that you have the same biological mother and father. Those would be irrelevant to the question. So this first question is for both of you, well start with Trent and then Steve, this comes from Estaban. To say here Richard [Bachum 00:28:46], for example, who rejects, a Protestant scholar who rejects the Perpetual Virginity of Mary says, Its strange Jesus is called the son of Mary in Mark 6:3, rather than the son of Joseph. But that would make sense if Jesus had been born of Josephs second wife, Mary. One, the sole non-falsifiable and fallible authority of the Roman Catholic church, sola ecclesia, which teaches these Marian Dogmas versus a sole infallible authority of scripture sola scriptura, which contradicts them. And so if it doesnt contradict scripture, then it should be an issue between Catholics and Protestants of secondary importance, much like how people disagree about infant baptism. According to one commentary Marys song like Hannahs declares that security and significance are found in a God who would care about the broken and poor enough to give himself to them. I mean, to quote Jimmy Akin, when he was asked, Did all the early church fathers agree? He says, Boy, did they not all agree? So there was a lot that the early church disagreed on and there was things that they agreed on, things that Trent would agree on and theres things that they agreed on that I would actually believe in. So to summarize then Steve Well, actually lets see. Im just asking is there an example of anywhere in scripture where its used to describe siblings they have the same mother but they have different fathers? They shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and weep bitterly over him as one weeps over a firstborn. So the terms can both be used in interchangeably in that respect. So if youre going to say Mary sinned because an offering was made, then youd also have to say that Jesus sinned as well. And Id like my little mini rebuttal, very quick points, Matt, that is a topic for another debate. Should we baptize babies or not? Okay. Type it in. The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis- Garret Talks To Steve Christie About His Endorsements, Pima County Voting. The other thing about Jesus is, yes, Jesus did not sin, but the Bible says that he took on sin, which is different than actually inheriting sin because, again, he is conceived by the Holy Spirit, unlike Mary, who is actually conceived in sin. And I think we both agree on the assumption, Steve said it the Bible does not say Mary was not assumed into heaven, and in order to try to show her assumption would contradict it, we had to use a very speculative argument about that she did not need to be rescued from death, even though that doesnt apply to every case where God would take someone into heaven. Do Protestants Have the Correct Old Testament Canon Trent Horn Vs Steve Christie Debate, The Canon of Scripture Debate Part 1 Gary Michuta (Catholic) vs. Steve Christie (Protestant), Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller with Steve Christie. We see this in Zechariah 12:10, where it talks about, They look on him who theyve pierced. So were not talking about translations of the Bible. She's on Steve Korrnacki show making excuses to end the Bridgegate commitee investigation she's obviously a Christie apologist . 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