Write to the following universities to urge them not to participate in the UA telescope project. Four years later, and decades since the Vatican initiated its occupation, the Pope has yet to reach out to the San Carlos Apache Tribe. Showing this error, however, reveals the fallible nature of many of these self-proclaimed Messiahs and Priests and sends a humbling blow to the heart of their followers. 03 Nov. 2012. The fact that this is a sacred place for the Apache was not taken into consideration. Where does it say the sun and moon hover, or whose research are you questioning? 3.) In the early 1980s the University of Arizona, Germanys Max Planck Institute, the Arcetri Observatory of Italy, and the Tucson-based Research Cooperation came together to prepose the development of a $200 million astronomical facility consisting of up to 18 telescopes, the largest of which was to be built on the San Carlos Apaches sacred mountain. Despite this setback, the Vatican continued its support of astronomy, and in an effort to counteract the accusations that there was a conflict between the Church and science, Pope Leo XIII formally re-founded the Specola Vaticana (Vatican Observatory) in 1891. As of 1965 the Mount Graham Red Squirrel was believed to have been extinct. Why would they set up the earliest observatories right at the end of the Dark Ages, that continues to this day some 500 years later, if they were so dead set on maintaining that the Earth was the center of the universe? Ola Cassadore Davis, Apache Survival Coalition, PO Box 1237, San Carlos, AZ 85550; (520) 475-2543. The area in question is administered by the U.S. Forest Service. In reaction to this decision, biologists, botanists, and environmentalists openly opposed the project, arguing that the Mount Graham ecosystem is extremely important to the species living there and that many of these species were already struggling to survive. In fact, several pontifical observatories were established in Rome, including the Observatory of the Roman College, the Observatory on the Capitoline Hill and the Specola Vaticana (or Vatican Observatory). University of Arizona, Vatican and Jesuits Name New Telescope 'Lucifer' Housed at Mt. Conditions on the mountain have changed substantially since the permit was first granted and the observatory is even less compatible with the ecological and religious importance of Mount Graham. VATT The Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. VATT The Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. Another group installed a telescope it nicknamed Lucifer. (KJV). The 500 year Great Lie can easily be understood in that the Vatican, the Royal Society of London and Nazi German run NASA have controlled all information from space about our place in the Universe and all stories related up until this very day. The Forest Service is urged to deny a new permit and require that existing telescopes be removed. Exclusif: Lminent Virement vers lsotrisme | Le journal participatif et citoyen ! Scientific researchers from around the world make use of MGIO facilities. The 1.8 meter Alice P. Lennon Telescope and its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT), is a Gregorian telescope observing in the optical and infrared which achieved first light, the first starlight to pass through the telescope onto a detector, in 1993. Lucifer was named by German academic astronomers a separate telescope from the VATT Observatory and separate scientific observations. So the Vatican has an observatory in Arizona, that is next to Lucifer which is NOT part of the Vatican Observatory as others have claimed. Construction was completed on the VATT in 1993. The church may not believe in this ancient law but its as old as the moon. Strange For the Apache in Arizona, one of these sacred places is Mount Graham: this place is called Dzil Nchaa Si An (Big Seated Mountain) and is mentioned in 32 of the sacred songs . Reservations were established by executive orders in 1871 through 1874, but Welch said the ordersneverreferencedthe treaty that enabled theircreation. One hundred years earlier, the Guttenberg Press invention, (taking credit from the Chinese who developed the printing press in the mid 11th century), brought books to the masses of Europe. Public events include our Monday Night Lecture Series, world-reknowned Astronomy Camp and Mt Lemmon Sky Center. The Vatican Observatory shares space (no pun intended) with other organizations and groups. The University of Arizona (UA) selected Mount Graham as their choice location for a seven-telescope observatory project in the 1980s. Secchi is often referred to as the Father of Modern Astrophysics and his technique remains important in modern research. How does that work on a spinning ball? THE GOLDFISH REPORT NO. When I also read, Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. I KNOW that. That's where we find peace and comfort to pray in our quiet way.". In fact, unlike many other indigenous groups who are in struggle to protect their sacred sites, the San Carlos Apache may have an advantage due to the unique ecosystem on Mount Graham. The Observatory is one of the oldest astronomical institutes in the world. Nor does the NT, in all its references, ever cite Isa 14 as the basis for the hasatans fall. Telescope. In 1984, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as a site for a complex of 18 telescopes. Even Satan doesn't known when it will happen and so he [], [] wolves calculate that one! Your email address will not be published. Due observatories prolonged struggle to obtain a new permit, and the rise in support from governmental groups, environmental groups, and the Apache people themselves this may be one struggle for sacred land that is not lost. But the telescope wouldn't stay in Vatican City for long. The LBT observing instruments split into single beam instruments receiving light from one primary mirror only, and instruments combining the beams of the two mirrors while conserving their phase relation (interferometers). In a solemn audience, held on 10 November 1979 before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the College of Cardinals and the Diplomatic Corps to the Holy See, to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the birth of Albert Einstein, John Paul II requested that theologians, scholars and historians, animated by a spirit of sincere collaboration, will study the Galileo case more deeply This desire was concretized in the constitution by the Pope in July 1981 of a commission to coordinate the research of theologians, scientists and historians which would help to further clarify the events which occurred between Galileo and the Church and, more generally, the Ptolemaic Copernican controversy of the 16th and 17th centuries in which the Galileo affair is situated. Before pardoning Galileo in 1992, the Vatican, in 1979 set up a Galileo Study group. Find telescopes and instruments, telescope time applications, staff and mountain contacts, and faculty and staff scientific interests. Graham was not sacred because it lacked religious shrines. LBTNUCIFUER? This tall old growth forrest of spruce, fir, and corkbark not only provides a unique ecosystem, but is a sacred land for the San Carlos Apache Indians. Web. Learn how your comment data is processed. This mountain is home to a large diversity of animals that have come up from the heat of Mexico and down from the northern mountains of the Pinaleo mountain range. I think its strange that this cult which clearly states you should (as does the Bible)avoid all appearance of evil has partnered with any group that chooses an acronym such as Lucifer. The Catholic Encyclopedia, claims it to have a deeper significance; hence this permits them to apply it to hasatan, even though it contradicts the context of the passage. All The News That's Fit to Twist: Twisting Words Since 325CE. Below are links to the optical and instrument specifications to assist observers. TOPICS: catholic church lucifer mt. Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research He dedicated a telescope that belonged to a church whose leaders rejected the traditions and teachings of his people, a church whose Vatican Observatory Director insisted that Mount Graham. Yikes! 03 Nov. 2012. The how is best answered by the one that designed the whole mechanism and set them on a path. They do shift, we know this from simple observation. (Source), Keepers of the Knowledge of Heliocentric Astronomy, The Vatican. Birney, Mt. In 1902, it became part of the U.S. National Forest system and in 1953, it was merged into the Coronado National Forest. This decision sparked a controversy of science, religion, and environment. Device and its purpose, read my original article below, originally posted on June 20, 2016. Funding for the project was only possible with the generosity of private, philanthropic support. So please dont believe these flat earth people. In the 1980s and 90s, some 30 universities backed out of project and the Max Planck Institute followed in July 2002 due to excessive moisture and cloud cover which inhibit the radio telescopes effectiveness. Details: apache-sitgreaves.org, 480-221-9738. how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! In 1997 the University of Arizona requested that all Apache's must apply for permission to pray 48 hours in advance. ), (Protesters in the lobby of Ardrey Auditorium hand out fliers with information about their opinions concerning the observatory on top of Mt. "There are so many commodities and useful resources in these lands. Posted By: Steve Allen January 14, 2016. The task of the commission was officially described as a scholarly and calm reflection, founded on objective evidence and emphatically not a new trial nor an attempt at rehabilitation. <, DiCosola, Maria. Many of us came to accept the idea that Lucifer was hasatan (satan) long before ever reading the one verse in Isa 14:12, the only place in the Bible which mentions Lucifer. We have been fighting or trying to make the people understand that we feel that anything that'splaced on the ground or anything that puts out radiation or any kind of electrical equipment destroys our way of praying.. The central sacred importance of Mount Graham has been known to the Mount Graham astronomers since 1968, long before the opening of the Vatican's telescope in 1993. So we are indoctrinated, and by college no less. Encircled by a 2-mile border with Italy, Vatican City is an independent city-state that covers just over 100 acres . The most prolific of those who first classified stars according to their spectra, Fr. This was the first of seven observatories on this Sky Island. star plain and simple. These early traditions of the Observatory reached their climax in the mid-nineteenth century with research conducted at the Roman College by the famous Jesuit, Father Angelo Secchi, the first to classify stars according to their spectra. The fact that this is a sacred place for the Apache was not taken into consideration. It would certainly destroy the doctrinal principles of religions which have sprung off the theoretical foundation that Lucifer is the devil especially those which deem their leaders infallible. http://abell.as.arizona.edu/%7Elbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/Documents/LUCIFER_UM_1.1.pdf"]http://abell.as.arizona.edu/~lbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/Documents/LUCIFER_UM_1.1.pdf, http://abell.as.arizona.edu/%7Elbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/lucifer.html"]http://abell.as.arizona.edu/~lbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/lucifer.html, http://thirdsecret.org/content.php?153-Benedict-XVI-build-the-throne-of-Satan. Assemblies who will continue to perpetuate this Lucifer lie, after knowledge of this clear evidence, represent the fool in proverbs. Mount Graham was the free land of the San Carlos Apache, and remained on their reservation until the United States Federal Government claimed it it 1872. 1.) An Apache activist dancer performs in a rally to save Oak Flat, land near Superior, Ariz., sacred to Western Apache tribes, in front of the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Tuesday, July 22, 2015. The Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona) reports that the Jesuit Father Charles W. Polzer calls opposition to the construction of the telescope complex on top of Mount Graham part of a Jewish conspiracy and comes from the Jewish lawyers of the American Civil Liberties Union who are out to undermine and destroy the Catholic Church. Ive also talked to many who could share stories of the ancient laws which spiritually govern holy areas. The same year, Steward Observatory's Heinrich Hertz Submillimeter Telescope (SMT) also opened on Mount Graham. Web. Lucifer, the Son Jesus is the Morning Star, not Lucifer. Is it about the warning from the New Testament, book of Revelation and the end times? Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Downes, Nathaniel. The Forest Service has acknowledged that the mountain is a Traditional Cultural Property to Western Apache people and has taken steps to consult with traditional Apache about the sacred nature of the mountain and how to protect it. Due to Arizona's high elevation and clear skies, the VATT is just one among dozens of telescopes located in the state; as the Vatican Observatory website reports, Arizona is "where sky conditions are among the best in the world, and . He was arrested in 1997 for trespassing when he was fleeing an oncoming thunderstorm using the construction road built for what the Apaches considered sacrilege: a telescope complex on the mountains peak. The Vatican Observatory Research Group (VORG) operates the 1.8m Alice P. Lennon Telescope with its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. Tagged: l.u.c.i.f.e.r., NASA, space, telescope, Vatican. Theres no way that were going to allow this to be done," people said. )), According to an online article by Lee Alen earlier this year, prior to the building the Vatican Observatory group claimed that Mount Graham could not be a sacred site due to its lack of religious shrines. Was there an ulterior motive behind this? They were set in motion by a creator. You have yet to return the courtesy. Web. splendors intolerable blinds feeble, Notice, the Master says I saw Satan not I saw Lucifer/Haylel etc. 03 Nov. 2012. It is apart of the Vatican Observatory, which is one of the oldest astronomical establishments. The Bible has the tendency to be silent concerning the specifics in heavenly matters; and it probably does so for a reason, being that not all heavenly things are to be revealed to humans (2 Cor 14:12). Im curious, why would the Vatican name the telescope Lucifer? Can anybody say tradition? In May 2001, a federal court judge ruled that the Arizona-Idaho Conservation Act remains in effect, exempting UA from compliance with these laws. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Mount Graham, the colonial name for Dzi Nchaa Si'an, was part of the San Carlos Apache Reservation until 1873, when the federal government seized it by presidential executive order, deeming it. Strange for an organization who was adamant of a geocentric universe. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. With these rich traditions as a basis and in order to counteract the longstanding accusations of hostility of the Church towards science, Pope Leo XIII in his Motu Proprio Ut Mysticam of 14 March 1891 formally refounded the Vatican Observatory and located it on a hillside behind the dome of St. Peters Basilica. What one may notice is that many groups who, associate divinity/infallibility with their leaders, and/or the KJV (and any other Text which falsely translates haylel as Lucifer), will be extremely reluctant to accept this simple error, and will become immediately defensive of their congregation and this tradition. The Vaticans latest .The L.U.C.I.F.E.R. The Vatican works hand in glove with NASA and major universities. At the end of the following century, 151 locations in Italy had seen at one time printing activities, with a total of nearly three thousand printers known to be active. The church held most knowledge in books which had laboriously been handwritten by priests until then. Collaborating with the Steward Observatory, the Vatican Observatory built the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) on Mt. Despite all the NTs reference to hasatan, there is never a quote from Isa 14 to substantiate their position on Satan. Daniels referred to the L.U.C.I.F.E.R. After the Arizona Board of Regents followed suit, the details of what the telescopes would cost the environment and the Apache people emerged. In 1873, Mount Graham was removed from the boundaries of the San Carlos Reservation and placed in public domain. False prophets claiming 09-23-17 starts 7 year great tribulation Prophecy in the News. (LogOut/ A few things worth noting before we start: Lucifer is never directly or indirectly called Satan, nor is the word Satan ever found in Isaiah 14. As they learned what was at stake, the San Carlos Apache Tribe issued several resolutions against the observatory. Angelo Secchi, at the Roman College. And yes, its named for the Devil, whose name itself means morning star [and which] happens to be right next to the Vatican Observatory on Mt. They didnt become a one of the richest groups in the world on just donations. * what causes them to move at all? To get around the legal barriers of the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act, the University hired a lobbying firm to put pressure on Congress . The Large Binocular Telescope which is not affiliated with the Vatican Observatory is a pair of 8.4m telescopes side by side. Graham in Tucson. From that time, the Papacy has manifested an interest in and support for astronomical research. Graham in Arizona to mount a telescope there? The Apache regard the Mt. And they are nothing but propaganda for the state. Placing unauthorized or unwelcomed whatever on Indian sacred ground, like this telescope, or even taking any sort of sacred symbols, down to the rocks and dirt, without permission or a blessing to do so, could be a nightmare, a real life story for a Dan Brown novel and may add to the growing issues facing the Catholic Church. At the time, the University of Arizona was in the midst of constructing the $87 million Large Binocular Telescope, billed as the largest optical telescope on Earth. The coming of settlers from the East disrupted the Apache way of life forever. At nearly the same exact time, in 1609, Galileo Galilei built his first telescope by learning how to grind his own glass to make his star viewer. The entire mountain and the watersheds that emanate from it should be listed as the traditional cultural property of the Apache. Et oui, il porte le nom du diable, dont le nom en fait signifie toile du matin [et qui] se trouve tre justement ct de lObservatoire du Vatican sur le mont Graham Tucson . by Greg Szymanski, JD, ArcticBeacon.com, April 23, 2010 Published here: Thursday, April 29, 2010 @ 5:10 AM University of Arizona, Vatican and Jesuits Name New Telescope 'Lucifer' Housed at Mt. I've been to Indian sacred grounds and experienced a few situations to influence my belief. 201 likes. Yet in response to the ASC's claims of sacred land, Father George Coyne (a Jesuit astronomer who was the director of the Vatican Observatory) wrote, "We are not convinced by any of the arguments thus far presented that Mt. The mission of VATT is displayed prominently outside the entrance in Latin and in English indoors. The site sits ab. (Stiles. It was because we were moving as well as the planets. Required fields are marked *. Currently the observatory remains as a working scientific research area that has been awaiting renewal for a permit since April of 2009. Graham in southeastern Arizona. To the Apache the ecology of the area is what makes the land sacred and it is not related to the western idea of a physical shrine. The climate ranges from desert at the lowest elevation to subalpine at the highest, where green woods offer cool relief from the searing deserts below and precious springs trickle down the slopes to feed rivers like the Gila. Northern Arizona News, 2 Feb. 2011. Papal interest in astronomy can be traced to Pope Gregory XIII who had the Tower of the Winds built in the Vatican in 1578 and later called on Jesuit astronomers and mathematicians to study the scientific data and implications involved in the reform of the calendar which occurred in 1582. Its just fits perfectly whole Lucifer propaganda. The only answer being that central casting and planning want it that way. #20 Why Is the Vatican the Largest and Longest Owners of Telescope Observatories, Including the Newest NamedL.U.C.I.F.E.R.? "This is a story of light pollution and how it persecutes poor astronomers." In the 1930s, Pope Pius XI relocated the Observatory to . Heres a simpler question. Possibly! All pictures, and stories of space come from NASA, yet little is heard from Vatican observatories as to their conclusions as to what their most sophisticated telescopes are finding. In 1987 the Observatory in collaboration the Center for Theology and the Natural Sciences in Berkeley, California, began a series of interdisciplinary study seminars bringing together science, philosophy and theology on the theme of divine action from a scientific perspective. A key to understanding how long the myth of a global heliocentric, agnostic, universe has been perpetuated on all is to understand how long and deep the Vatican has been involved with observing the heavens all the way back to Copernicus, (who himself became a catholic priest in the last years of his life and studied cannon law). This was in spite of the fact that the building of telescopes on this sacred mountain by the University of Arizona and the Vatican was a controversial issue and had been the subject of . The spiritual value of Mount Graham to the Apache was not considered. In southern Arizona, the proposed site of a new mine is pitting the mining company, Resolution Cooper, against the San Carlos Apache people. Jim Loudon Observatory. The Vatican set up one of the first observatories back in the 16th century and has continued to this day with the recent buildout of its newest observatory called LUCIFER, or LUCI, depending on what you read. Graham: Apaches and Astrophysical Development in Arizona | Cultural Survival. The Fight for Dzil Nchaa Si An, Mt. May whoever searches here night and day the far reaches of space use it joyfully with the help of God. The Vatican, which has invested in the project, challenged the sacredness of the mountain based on the lack of structures or objects. of course you do not address the fact that the Vatican is the greatest and longest owners of large scale telescopes, had a Jesuit priest advising Einstein and that Copernicus book that allegedly discredited the Vatican, was dedicated to the Pope. [] sacred sites (in the U.S.) have been used for telescopes and observatories, one of which is Mount Graham (guaranteed not the Apache name for that peak: actually it is called Dzil ncha si []. Proper names are transliterated NOT translated. <. Graham, critics wonder are the 'evil ones' planning a staged end times scenario By Greg Szymanski, JD April 23, 2010 The University of Arizona, together with the Vatican and Jesuit Order, announced today it named its newest high-powered telescopic instrument 'Lucifer'. As a Mason, it never fails to tickle me when I read the strange ideas that some people have of the fraternity. Fifteen years later, after incursions by settlers on what the Apaches knew were their own lands by treaty, they fought back. Your fourth question seems redundant. In 1852, the U.S. and "the Apache Nation of Indians" signed the Treaty of Santa Fe, said John Welch, a professor at Simon Fraser University and head of landscape and site protection programs at Archaeology Southwest. As the Vatican Observatory Official Website explains: It served not only home to their guardian spirits, but also is an ancient burial site. Mount Graham Red Squirrels. Earth Island Institute. Regardless of support from the National Council of Churches, the Presidents Advisory Council on Historical Preservation and the former president Bill Clinton on behalf of the respect for the Apache Cultural and Spiritual life the observatory still remains on Mount Graham. Coverage of Indigenous issues at the intersection of climate, culture and commerce is supported by the Catena Foundation and the Water Funder Initiative. The National Optical Astronomy Observatories rejected Mount Graham years ago. In 1984, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as a site for a complex of 18 telescopes. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Even in Freemasonry when you reach high degree they say that most been taught its to be bad, instead of good. Grasslands & Sabino Canyon Observatory. In spite of this, 2 telescopes have been built and a third is scheduled for completion in 2004. A separate telescope from the New Testament, book of Revelation and Vatican! 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